The Reality

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Originally posted by SDK:
So listen, think whatever makes you happy.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Same to you, oh enlightened one.

Sorry, SDK, I don't mean to belabor this, but I too get testy when I read things I know for a fact are simply not true. As I stated, I've experienced first-hand (first-EARS! [img]wink.gif[/img] ) just how well Vinnie plays with a click--LONG before any Pro Tools editing would be done. On the Kimotion Tracking sessions, he absolutely buried the click--made it disappear. And in odd-times like 13/16, as well as 4/4! Utterly astounded me, the sheer accuracy, as well as the insane intensity level he kept up...

We all know the guy's human. Nobody's perfect. And maybe due to others in the band, or other circumstances, he chooses at times to play with a bit more elasticity, perhaps? Maybe that's what you're getting at. But I know for certain that he can and does play with total precision in the studio.

Just my $.02, thanks!
-Tom

I don't take anything this guy(SDK) says seriously...he's usually way off the mark.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 03, 2005 12:47 AM: Message edited by: cjbdrm ]</font>

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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 03, 2005 05:55 PM: Message edited by: got_a_matchgrip? ]</font>

Just a word about Burnard Purdie, and playing to a click.
Flarobstix, mentioned that he had seen Burnard Purdie, live a few times and he rushed like a mad man. Also saying he had played on more recordings than JR! He was implying that Burnard probably couldn't play with a click as well!
Several years ago I produced a drum sample CD featuring Bernard, on drums. It was recorded in New York, at the same studio Steve Gadd, did his In Session video(FYI). We used CD's for him to play along with to record his drum tracks but on the second day I thought I would play a click track (Uri click, used by all the big studios for years)and let him play his grooves to see if it would make a difference in his feel and timing. The engineer put on the click and I told Bernard, to play a groove and give me fills every now and then. He stared playing his Purdie shuffle and I asked the engineer if he turned the click off? He said no! That was the first time I had experienced burying the click. I gave him click tracks at different tempos and every time he would bury the click. It was an amazing thing to see and hear first hand.
So, Flarobstix, live and studio are two different worlds don't mix the two.
As far as Vinnie, playing with a click, on or off he sounds good to me, but what do I know?

Something to keep in mind about the topic of "burying the click" is that sometimes these guys intentionally shy away from doing it. Maybe the tune requires them to play "around" the click to let things breath as opposed to being spot on. Maybe the other tracks that have been put down first aren't 100% and in order to make the whole thing sit right they have to split the difference.
CB

P.S. I say BP sit in with Karizma at a DW NAMM show party and he was not rushing or dragging. I believe they were playing a half time 16note groove on a tune called Donna. The groove was so intense that I almost came unglued.

Hey now!

I NEVER said Pretty Purdy can't paly to a click. That's an outrageous statement about the "worlds most recorded drummer". I just said that his time live and on certain studio recordings was all over the place, but grooved like hell.
Phew!! I wouldn't say that. Kill me if I do.

Wow.....

See what happens when you come down with the flu...?? You miss all the negative topics.

Wow!! How could you even think about critisizing Vinces Jazz abilities?? How could you even think about critisizing Vince?? It would be like me telling Lance Armstrong how to ride a bike.

Even if somebody sucked at something and I knew it, I'd say something like "you sound great man!!". It speaks loudly when somebody has to validate themselves by putting down anothers playing. And to go as far as saying "please don't insult Jazz??". You've got some big balls buddy.

You should know that there are "lurkers" on this board, and I've sent Vince a few of the threads from time to time. I won't bother with this one, because as steve said, it ain't constructive.

Just remember this...... as a good friend/drummer once told me. "The drumming community is a tight knitted one.... be carefull what you say about someone else, because you'd be surprised at how it gets back to those you talk chit about".

I think Vinnie is a fantastic Jazz player. Just listen to the Eric AMrienthal tune that Steve has hosted. Wether someone is as good as bla bla blady bla is one of the most annoying aspects of any human conversation. And at the level of musicianship we are discussing we are only talking about opinions and situations and fractions of percentages...in other words it just ain't worth talking about....

.....unless you want to get the sharp edge of the management's and Hod faithfull's tongues....which you have.

"The Reality" is this: This site is getting wierd! One of the things I used to like about this site was the absence of these kind of bush league fights. There are plenty of other goofy sites out there if people want to get involved in internet brawls(it is very easy to type a bunch of "stuff" that you wouldn't normally say to someones face and hit the send button). The lack of this kind of thing is what kept me coming back to this place(and talking bout Vinnie, Carlos, Jeff, Gadd, Weckl, etc..). There aren't any other sites that I know of that have the likes of Peter Erskine and Gary Husband posting. That is a nod to this sites reputation. Lets not screw it up. Everybody be cool! At the end of the day, it is just drums. And remember, all these guys that we may not dig still work a hell of a lot more than most. Some may like Vanilla and some Chunky Monkey but we all like icecream (Geez Drumaddict, now I don't know what I'm saying either).
Love, Peace and chicken grease,
CB
P.S. Drumaddict, you're the best! You too Douglee.
Yes, and you too Randy.